AKQJ10’s daily twaddle: 2010-02-07

February 7th, 2010
  • This hand will haunt me. Not sure if I can get away. http://bit.ly/aA0Ys8 Obv. if I know getting 6thd I would. Good news: why sats are easy #
  • Next time that happens hopefully I’ll be the one with the high hand. In time everyone benefits from an opponent that awful. Still sucks tho. #

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AKQJ10’s daily twaddle: 2010-02-06

February 6th, 2010
  • My 1st $26 LO8 sat – was worried competition might be tougher than $8.80s. Table is playing 51 VP$IP/16 PFR. Guess not. #
  • I’m making an epic comeback from very much on the ropes with about 20 left to chip leader with 5 left in an $8 sat to a $200 FTOPS O8 seat. #
  • I didn’t win the $216 FTOPS LO8 seat, only the 2nd place booby prize: $8. Like the lottery giving you a prize of a ticket, but better than 0 #

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AKQJ10’s daily twaddle: 2010-02-05

February 5th, 2010
  • Up to 18 $26 sat tokens. These token sats are like spinning straw into gold. Now just have to embrace the variance of a $26 tourney. #
  • Why are multi-seat sats profitable? Here’s why: http://bit.ly/ddzmG5 – terrible call by deep stack with 99 bvb to gamble it up. #
  • 6 places pay, top 5 pay equal. Sure, this time it hurt me, bad. But 5/6 of the time someone else is in that situ, I just sit + gain equity. #

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AKQJ10’s daily twaddle: 2010-02-04

February 4th, 2010
  • Chip leader in my $8.80 LO8 FTOPS sat is playing 67/56. These things are like printing expectation. Haven’t won won yet though-seat per 27 p #
  • Now chip leader challenged by the 83/4. What I meant last tweet is, 27:1 ratio for $216 seats in $8 sat, so high EV, high variance. #
  • By the way I think I’m going to commit to really learning PLO8 well (in addition to playing misc. FTOPS sats, which are pure gold). #

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AKQJ10’s daily twaddle: 2010-02-03

February 3rd, 2010
  • Maybe I should have installed a wiki for my self-coaching post: http://akqj10blog.com/?p=159 . Next time I’ll write it up 1st,post when done #
  • Bcoming huge fan of $8 18plr sats to $26 token on FTilt. Just came back from extinction in one, I’ll have to post some hands. About 50% itm. #

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Coaching myself in LO8 (archival)

February 1st, 2010

[I've decided that actually working through this self-coaching in a document viewable by the public probably isn't the best way to go about things.   It's not that I mind sharing the process with you; it's just too confusing to try to document what's going on when each day, I make tiny efforts to discover something about my game that may or may not produce any fruit.   So I think I'm better off doing a long-winded analysis, figuring out how to apply it, and sharing the results with you when I'm finished.

At any rate, I think I've figured out some key things in my game, but I'll post about them later and stop adding to this post.   This one started around January 26, 2010; the very newest changes in red are from somewhere around February 1 or 2, and anything I left in purple is from somewhere between the two.]

In my previous post I mentioned that my LO8 results took a huge swoon in mid December.   My goal now is to figure out what leaks I need to plug to be a maximal winner at stakes around $2/4-$3/6, and obviously a subtask to that reach that goal is figuring out what if anything changed about my game around that time. As an aside, despite the title of this post, I am most willing to pay for coaching if I become convinced it’s necessary.   Even if I go that route, I’m pretty sure that doing the heavy lifting myself of understanding what needs to be improved in my game (or at least understanding why I can’t seem to find patterns after a deep look at the data) will help me get the most out of each our of coaching time.   Self-knowledge is certainly important to apply other more-cost effective training aids, such as the subscription to Deuces Cracked that I just renewed after letting it lapse for several months.   (Make the Jack a Four, a series on short-handed and tight-aggressive LO8 that came out since the last time I subscribed, looks particularly helpful.)    And thinking a lot about my game with the help of quantitative data will help me choose a reasonable and representative subset of hands for posting on the 2+2 or DC forums. So what questions do I want to ask myself?

  • How do my basic stats – VP$IP, PFR, metrics of positional awareness, anything else that jumps out – compare before and after this downswing?   When I looked at this before, I didn’t notice any obvious difference, but it’s worth another look.   Answer: The most fundamental change portrayed by the stats is that I’m raising more, but from worse position, and stealing less.  See below (eventually).
  • Am I doing better or worse depending on the number of players starting the hand?   When I looked at this before, I was doing best with the “full game” numbers of 9 or 6 players and not doing well with 8, 7, or the smaller numbers, although the sample sizes for heads-up and 3-handed are pretty thin.
  • Am I doing better or worse depending on how many take the flop?   This is key, because I can’t shake the feeling that I’m not adapting my aggression to tougher games properly.
  • Maybe play around to find a way to estimate if I’m bluffing too much.   Problem is, for example, I can’t just filter for hands where I flop nothing.   Of course I’m going to be loser in situations where I have nothing.   The real question is whether I’m more loser running the occasional bluff, or whether I’m better off just cutting my losses.   Perhaps I can use the filters to help me learn.
  • Look for where I’m losing money by position.
  • Am I losing money with trips?   JoeTall says this was a leak for him in From a Donk to a Stud 6, so I should probably check that out for myself. Never mind — this is another feature that doesn’t work on that piece of crap called Omaha Manager.
  • HEM/Omaha Manager has some interesting stats on river call efficiency; I looked at them briefly, but it might be worth trying to understand them better.

And one more diagnostic strategy that shouldn’t take a lot of time to implement, but does.   Alas, Omaha Manager just isn’t made for O8 (and I didn’t fully evaluate it during the refund period, so I didn’t notice this until too late): It can’t identify relevant O8 starting hand groups.    You can’t even find your results with A2 hands, for crying out loud; A234 would be considered a “small rundown”, I think, because the hand categories are all based on Omaha high.   This issue in UserVoice (link not working for me at the moment, but that should be the right link) must be fixed before I would consider recommending Omaha Manager to an O8 player, be it limit or big-bet O8. I’ve considered hacking my own SQL queries with Postgres, and I think the data would be most helpful.   It’s time consuming enough that I want to try other means of troubleshooting my O8 game first, but I may end up having to do it.

The results, bit by bit

I envision the rest of this post being a “living document” that I update as I do the rest of my analysis.

Basic stats, before and after

I’m sort of revamping this section – I ran the “2 – Leak Buster – Overall” report for before and after, but figured it was way too much data and offloaded it to this page: LO8 Leak Buster before and after. And I moved the rest of the data because the WP editor hosed up the formatting.

Really the only obvious difference there is that my preflop raise % increased from 8.6 to 10%, which is a pretty good increase a variable that should require less sample size to converge.   Is it just the slightly higher mix of stakes?   Apparently not, because my PFR doesn’t show a nice consistent correlation to the stakes; it jumps around, 10.2, 9.1, 8.3, 9.5 as you go down in stakes.  Each is between 3500 and 6700 hands so I’m not sure if those jumps around mean anything.

How do I do in the hands themselves where I raise?

BEFORE: 96.46 BBet/100 in 1165 hands.

AFTER: 85.5 BBet/100 in 875 hands.

Doesn’t seem all that different does it?   And the non-raise numbers are -4.3 and -19.6 BB/100.

So it’s just not a credible interpretation that I’m raising too much.   It does prompt the question of whether I’d do better to just fold any hand I don’t want to raise, with “do better” defined relative to a loss from the blinds.  If we take out the blinds, before I was +4.88 BB/100 and after -1.21 BB/100.   But overall I’m +EV with non-PFR hands out of the blinds, so I don’t think I need to be so radical as to fold everything I wasn’t planning to raise. So far this seems like a wild goose chase.   Let’s move on.

By number of players in the hand

Size Hands $ bb/100 VPIP% PFR% 3Bet% WTSD% W$SD% Agg Agg%
2 74 -$53.50 -65.88 58.6 34.3 20 60 21.2 1.95 55.7
3 263 -$91.95 -11.32 46.8 31.3 10 44.3 47.1 1.86 48.2
4 477 -$34.35 -13.94 38.8 20.3 7.5 43.2 51.5 1.88 42.9
5 1154 -$55.10 -5.08 29.4 13.6 6.8 37.4 62.1 1.87 40.3
6 2193 -$18.70 -0.44 26.2 10.8 4.8 40.4 54.3 1.89 41.6
7 1850 -$168.85 1.53 23.6 9.8 4 39.6 61.1 1.95 41.1
8 4690 $99.70 1.09 22.9 8.4 4 36.7 61.5 1.7 37.7
9 7192 $144.30 -1.09 22.2 7.8 4.3 37.2 58.9 1.59 38.2
10 4510 -$154.90 -0.17 20.7 7 2.9 37.4 59.6 1.67 38.7

If you can find a pattern above five-handed you’re more creative than I am.   But it does seem to suggest that five-handed or shorter I might really suck, although it is a wee little sample.   Maybe leave games sooner if they get really short?

By number of players taking the flop

# on flop BB/100 before 12-12 BB/100 after 12-12 Overall
2 +0.05 -2.88 -1.24
3 +5.04 -5.75 +0.60
4 +2.09 -12.55 -3.16
> 4 +12.43 -34.19 -1.31

The only clear pattern I see in this data (other than my “after” results being a disaster, of course) is that until 2009-12-12 I made more money the more multiway the pot. That makes perfect sense. But that pattern falls apart not only in the small “after” sample, but also in the cumulative results! What is going on? It’s almost like I’ve been playing a different game since then, a higher-variance game, and the randomness of most of the numbers I’ve looked at so far suggests that maybe I really am just running terrible. At any rate, my leaks are well-hidden so far.

Looking for my leaks in position

I don’t know why this approach didn’t occur to me sooner, but it really makes perfect sense.   When I noticed that my steal % had gone down but my PFR hadn’t changed appreciably, it dawned on me that I’m probably raising more in non-steal positions lately.  Obviously building bigger pots without position could be problematic.

So let’s run the numbers and see in what positions I’m actually losing money relative to before my downswing:

Position BB/100 BB/100
Before 12/12/2009 12/12/2009 – 1/27/10
1) small blind -10.9 -19.78
2) big blind -10.21 -26.17
3) early 7.24 0.33
4) middle 6.65 3.37
5) cutoff 4.49 5.36
6) button 5.28 4.77

This pretty much tells the story – most of my loss is coming from the early positions.  And how has my VP$IP and PFR% changed by position?

VP before after PFR before PFR after
47.9 45.3 10.2 11.3
28.2 28.1 8.7 8.1
15.8 15.2 5.2 6.1
18.3 15.8 7.9 8.7
22.2 17.8 12.4 13.2
24.2 23.1 11.9 14.8

Now, it’s important to be realistic about our sample size here; if my original samples are around 13k, then the positional samples are going to be much smaller.   Now, we know that my PFR went up around 1.4% overall, but apparently my raise % is actually increasing the most on the button.   This doesn’t seem very consistent with my earlier diagnosis of less steal %, so what’s going on?   I must be doing more non-open raising, right?

AKQJ10’s daily twaddle: 2010-01-31

January 31st, 2010
  • My most recent 2+2 posts have some good (for me) LO8 discussion. http://tinyurl.com/ygwro2b or 2+2 user AKQJ10 > threads #
  • I put the self-analysis of my game on hold; I’m just learning so much from Make the Jack a 4 (DC). My stats suggest too much EP raising. #

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AKQJ10’s daily twaddle: 2010-01-27

January 27th, 2010
  • 500 big bet upswing in LO8 followed by 500 BB downswing. Does that mean I really suck? But if I suck, how did I go on a 500 BB upswing? #

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AKQJ10’s daily twaddle: 2010-01-26

January 26th, 2010

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January 25th, 2010

Poker thought of the day/month/whatever: The most underrated absolutely essential poker skill, even more underrated than its parent game selection, is game evaluation.   If you can’t tell whether you’re in a good game, irrespective of results, you can’t win in the long run.

So, it feels like a good time to take stock of what’s working for me, what’s not, and how I can move what’s in the second category into the first.

What is my “bread and butter” game?

In other words, what game can I play at high volume to make money reliably?

Tournaments (with caveats)

  • Major tournament sats: FTOPS, MiniFTOPS, WCOOP.  I played these for a week straight during the MiniFTOPS in December.   They’re wonderful.   You don’t even have to play the sat targets; just cash out T$ or FTP when you win.
  • Scheduled limit MTTs, HE and O8, ~30-50 players, buy-in $5 to $33: Granted that I’m running outrageously good (2 firsts and a shared first this month), but these seem like a gold mine.   The player base is as bad as any MTT of these stakes, but limit games keep the fields reasonable which diminishes variance compared to bigger tourneys.
  • 45-player NLHE sit-and-gos, $5.50 and $11; less favorable are $6.50 and $12 turbos.
  • NLO8 and PLO8 tourneys: I want to learn big-bet O8 (see below), and doing it against a field that knows even less than me is ideal.

Drawbacks to tourneys:

  • Hard to schedule – You can’t just go hang out in the coffee shop for an hour or less while playing poker like you can with ring games.
  • Higher variance – We can partially make up for this with volume, because S&Gs are easier to multitable, but there’s still a lot more variance.

So I figure I need something else in the bread-and-butter category…..

Limit Omaha 8

Why?

  • I expect non-hold ‘em games to be less “saturated”.    This isn’t really scientific, just a hunch, but with the explosion of training resources on HE and especially NLHE, even given greater game selection in those games I expect non-HE to reward flexibility and less by-the-book thinking.   Don’t get married to this hunch though.
  • Limit games seem to suit my personality a lot more.   This is not as true online where multitabling can keep big-bet games from becoming boring as paste, though.
  • Split-pot games are supposed to help control variance.

I’ve tried to specialize in online LO8 since about November 2009.   But a funny little thing happened around December 12.

25c/50c through $3/$6, first 13648 hands: +2.12 BBet/100, +$501

25c/50c through $3/$6, all 22083 hands: -0.48 BBet/100, -$291

As you can imagine this is a little vexing.   Apparently my O8 game needs work.   After all, 20K hands is supposed to be fairly significant, right?    But does going from 14K to 20k hands magically change the prognosis from “You could just be running good” to “You’re a certain loser”?   All I can infer is that variance is much worse than I thought, or that I’m more subject to subtle tilt than I thought.

My next post will concern my plan to get out of this rut.    I am vaguely aware of a few things I’m doing poorly, or that I do worse when I run bad.    I likely bluff too much, especially in shorthanded pots.    I make too many crying and hero calls.    I don’t value bet thin enough on the river, particularly when I’m running bad.   So I’m sure there are leaks that we can get out of my game.

Anyway, it’s probably a good idea to move down stakes for a while while reconstructing my game.   But if I’m going to do that, I could also play a game I’m still very much learning….

Big-bet Omaha 8

Why?

  • Newer game – less literature, possibly more fish (not sure about this though)
  • Big-bet games are more profitable when a couple of fish are in them.

I keep thinking this would be a good game to learn from the ground up.   I’ve been short-stacking NL25 (and sometimes PL25), and occasionally full-stacking PL10.  I need to play it more, especially deep stacked.   I don’t because it feels wasteful to play at low stakes.  Also, good games dry up very quickly, and it’s not rare to end up in a 20/4 rock garden where the reasonable players are just shoving their AA preflop for 50xbb or more.   I don’t really find those games fun.    But when you get a fish in these, boy howdy, are they good.

I expect to have about 10 to 30 hours weekly for poker from now until grad school.   Now I just have to allocate that time among the above three categories, and also to purchase enough and allow enough time for training to get better at them.